10 Biggest Political Lies of 2008

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hillary_clinton1. Hillary Is A Liar In Campaign, But A Heroine As Secretary Of State

The Democratic primary was brutal, and the attacks on Hillary were relentless. If half of what was said in the attacks were true, and Hillary was so unfit, why is she such a great choice for Secretary of State? We think she is an exemplary selection and the attacks on her were some of the biggest lies and distortions of the campaign.

2. Oil at $147 A Barrel.

The Saudis and OPEC lied about their capacity and concealed new supply. That lie led to speculation that supplies were dwindling and sent prices soaring world-wide on the premise that capacity was not sufficient to meet demand. The facts dawned and oil collapsed from $147 to $38.

3. The Economy of Hybrid Vehicles.

Hybrid vehicles do not save energy.  They do not pollute less and they do not save the owner any significant amount on fuel. It would have taken years to save back the premium in price of a hybrid when gas was $4.00 a gallon.  Pollution-wise, it is a toss up, considering how much energy is used and how much carbon dioxide is emitted in the manufacture of the batteries. Some don’t even save fuel relative to their fossil fuel powered equivalents.

Hybrids were painted as a way of reducing our dependence on foreign oil. It was a marketing, and later, a political lie.

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4. Deregulation.

The financial problems we have in America have been building for decades. Deregulation was not the cause. And even if it were, there were many proponents of deregulation.  Alan Greenspan admitted openly he was a primary contributor to our financial malaise. Alan was not even appointed by Bush. Go figure.

bankrun_19295. The association between today and the Great Depression.

This is the biggest distortion we have heard repeatedly from the media over the past year. They pick out small statistics that match the time of the Great Depression in order to make their news reports worthy of our attention. There is no real association. During the great depression, unemployment was between 25-35%. Wages dropped nearly 50% for those that kept their jobs. Between 1929 and 1933, U.S. GDP growth declined by around 30 percent, the stock market lost almost 90 percent of its value. Nearly half of the nation’s banks failed.

The comparison between the Great Depression and today is hype only and another lie.

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21 Responses for “10 Biggest Political Lies of 2008”

  1. Robert Amezcua says:

    Oh wow! This was a interesting post. I love browsing the internet because I always learn something new! I know a lot of stuff that relates to this.

  2. DAVE LUCAS says:

    Hey Vermontah you might want to get checked out you might be legally retarded…dont worry you have a lot of followers…..dont be a retard all your
    life. It might not be your fault your parents might have retards…..learn the facts and dont be so trusting of your ever so lovely government you dumbfuuuuck

  3. [...] Conservatives, moderates and liberals were involved, and in some cases the people in power, such as Alan Greenspan were not even elected officials. And it is easy to believe that as more evidence comes to light, [...]

     
  4. Ed Hardy says:

    Nice post. Most blogs or not very informative. At least I learnt somthing with yours.

  5. Jeremy G. says:

    I am adding this to my bookmarks. TY

  6. gofigure says:

    Lying is what lie-berals do. It is their entire political approach. Duck the truth, dodge the facts and promise the world.

  7. moderateman says:

    What I love about the comments in response to this article is that there is little argument about the many lies made by the liberals regarding their candidates. The biggest complaint is about the small clip on hybrid cars.

    What this says to me is that the liberals knew that their candidates lied to win the campaign and they don’t care so long as they won.

  8. boughtaprius says:

    John B, with all due respect, you need a basic mathematics lesson. Please tell us how hybrids that get 5-10 MPG better than their fossil fuel equivalents save any significant amount of money on fuel.

    Please tell us how the manufacture and disposal of batteries for these cars does not generate more CO2 and toxic waste than the car saves in its lifetime.

    And definitely tell us, based on non-bubble gas prices how soon I will save back the premium I paid of around $9000. My estimate based on today’s prices is 40 years even with the Prius.

    You make random statements about hybrids with no backing whatsoever in your arguments. You say things have been proven, but don’t say how or where. Simple math tells you the Hybrids don’t save money or reduce pollution, even the Prius which is the best of the pack. Many other vehicles using the technology don’t get better gas mileage. I have read numerous articles to this effect and the math backs them up. Similar articles were referenced in this piece; did you bother to read them? Obviously not.

    My Prius has some advantages and has a cool factor. But after owning it for a year and a half, I have no doubt it will never pay for itself and that the technology is not something we should pursue. Electric based cars and hybrids only seem “clean” during normal use. Their manufacture and resulting waste products are anything but “clean”.

    Research says I am much better off just buying a fuel efficient gasoline powered car. Go figure.

  9. John B says:

    The big lie on hybirds (#3) is itself a big lie. Others have disproved the notion that hybrids don’t save net lifetime energy compared to non-hybrids of the same size. But hybrids are often held to the standard of having to make up the ‘extra’ cost in gas savings, which they may or may not do depending on the price of gas. But if one must justify car purchases on economic necessity, tell me how the cost premium of a hummer is justified over say a minivan with the same carrying capacity. Tell me how the premium in cost of a luxury of a jaguar or Porsche pays for it self in dollars. We don’t hold those economically irrational standards to the same criterion.

    On a collective basis, Hybrids help reduce overall oil dependence (and shouldn’t that be a huge value to society, more than style?), and absolutely reduce both carbon and smog related pollution – carbon because they consume and emit less, and conventional, because when they are running on battery, they emit zero. If you are in stop and go traffic, a fleet of hybrids will therefore emit less than even well controlled gasoline vehicles. Do you home work before repackaging these

  10. boughtaprius says:

    You miss the point. I get around 45 MPG the way I drive, not 52, but say I got 50 like you. Even at that I would only save about $150 a year on fuel based on 12000 miles per year over my buddy’s Civic. It will take me 40 years to save back the price difference in the car.

    They just aren’t cost effective. Even if you double the price of gas, it takes decades versus cars that can run circles around the Prius.

    It only made sense in the oil price bubble. Now it is stupid.

    Other so-called economical cars like the Ford Escape Hybrid get about 5 MPG better mileage in real driving tests versus their not so green counterparts.

    There are many ways to make cars more fuel efficient. Hybrids are a failure because they are too expensive to make, have battery packs that turn into toxic waste, and that pollute more in the process of manufacturing them. It is a lose lose lose. I won’t buy another unless gas gets to $10 a gallon.

  11. Steve Ostrow says:

    @boughtaprius
    Funny, my Prius gets average 52 mph over the last 70000 miles. Best car I’ve ever owned. Probably would get better mileage if I didn’t live in a cold climate!

  12. moderationman says:

    What was great about this article was all the references and links to demonstrate the author did his or her research. I don’t agree with it all, but it leads to a ton of interesting subject material.

    The most disturbing was Obama’s people admitting he was lying about NAFTA. Sad really. Hope the entire campaign doesn’t turn out that way.

  13. boughtaprius says:

    So true about the hybrid cars. I bought a Prius thinking I would recoup the difference in cost on the car in five years, but I ended up having to pay the dealer a premium when gas was north of 3.50.

    At today’s fuel price, I am looking at my entire lifetime before I will recover the difference in cost and feel a bit the fool.

    Now the Toyota dealer I bought them from has them lined up on the lot and can’t get rid of them. Nobody wants them. Go figure.

    My buddy has the Civic I was looking at when I decided on the Prius. Paid $9000 less. It drives better, is quicker and gets only about 10 MPG less than I do. And the tax break I got was a joke.

    Forcing hybrids down people’s throats or making the tax payer subsidize them is a lousy solution to the oil supply problems we never really had. The technology is cool, but it really isn’t what it is cracked up to be.

    I should have saved the $9000 and rode my bike to work.

  14. ffa says:

    …The Toyota Prius gets far better gas mileage than any (production) all gas car. They recycle powerful batteries for cordless tools all the time, so I don’t see why they can’t recycle all-electric-car batteries as well.
    #2. the oil/gas price skyrocket was a classic SPECULATION BUBBLE. The insane irony is that the very people (speculators, the Big Evil 4) who were trying to FLEECE US at the pumps (the Big4 banks, jpm,BoA,citi,G-s were allied with Arab oil states and US/international oil conglomerates to spike those prices as much as humanly possible), are the FIRST IN LINE for BAILOUT BILLIONS – SOCIALISED bailouts from the very victims (consumers/taxpayers) they had been fleecing just weeks before!
    #3. where would electric battery technology be today, if the Insane GOP gave tax-breaks for alternative energy vehicles, instead of to gas-guzzling, no-MPG required truck monsters like the Hummer?
    #4. Richard Mellon was the Treasury Secretary who did nothing to prevent the Great Depression, Mellon believing that lost jobs, poverty, and deflation would bring about “Moral Values” to the ungrateful, scheming masses (or whatever.)
    Just getting started here, but in sum, this…is Right Up There with Rush Limbaugh, as the biggest, most distorted, most convoluted, most entitled … of the year thus far.

  15. Lorin says:

    This is conservative slander at its best. They couldn’t even accomplish a facade of impartiality.
    Obama’s healthcare plan is too conservative, single payer healthcare would be better than MA’s system. Greenspan was Clinton’s mistake at triangulation. Keeping him was like keeping the leisure suit in fashion.
    I will admit Bush is not completely to blame, and Obama appears pretty weak on NAFTA. Reagan was a shift in American politics that lead to the disparity of income, job loss, and overall dissolution of a decent half century of New Deal economics. I just thought Obama wouldn’t be giving into the Republicans like Clinton did.

  16. mario says:

    who are u people, I am in the industry, IT de regulation was the cause, if you do not watch people or tell them the right way to do things, they do what they want even to their own detriment, look at it, they did not have to report their dealings, to the point that they didn’t even check the risk for their own good, had their been and real monitoring, especially after all the complaints, etc, some of this could have been deterred, but instead the SEC had a hands off approach, removed the net capital rule, (hello unlimited leveraging) bad freaking idea, not to mention the stripping to the depression era regulations one by one over a series of years,, I mean really,

    and Obama’s healthcare plan, is needed, we are so far behind due to the selfishness you display here, we need it before we all die of aids or the plague in 2020, we are less healthy, and aids is spreading fast again. the Bush Administration has rejected all govt day to day operations in favor of war,

    do u really want to live somewhere where you cannot touch anyone, because people cannot afford a doctor 80% are homeless and 90% unemployed and everybody is sick and our doctors are so busy feeding you drugs to suppress symptoms that instead of curing you that new diseases pop up that few if any are qualified to research and cure, see college is out priced for most Americans, and the rich elite, really don’t care allot about public service, so who will serve…..it is too much to review…way too much for a small comment

  17. Dave Andersen says:

    @Vermontah:

    2) You claim the price is not related to the Saudi’s, and then, go on to say the price is related to the Saudis….and Bush. In fact, the international futures & commodities markets set the prices, but that is highly dependent upon the reading of the tea leaves” of news, corporate earnings reports, area calamities, etc.

    3) The point was that the TOTAL efficiencies have to be taken into consideration. (a) From a consumer-cost perspective: It costs far more to build a more complicated car, so the better fuel mileage is amortized against a higher initial price. If the observed mileage isn’t as dramatic as previously believed (and the EPA has changed their testing standards to bring hybrid claims closer to what is actual observed mileage), AND when the cost per gallon saved has come down, it take a longer time for the hybrid to pay for itself. (b) Total carbon footprint: Assuming that CO2 is the measure of global impact, we need to consider the additional emissions in the creation of hybrid vehicles. The very expensive batteries in, for example, Toyota hybrids, result in much greater carbon emissions than the production of a normal car; (c) Total pollution: What happens with the highly toxic batteries at EOL of the battery set? What must be done with the batteries if a hybrid is totaled in an accident?

  18. Dave Andersen says:

    @Vermontah:

    1) The healthcare problem we have today in the US is that we currently have a third party payer system, and that is a colossal failure. When you remove the consumer from the price-defining process, then there’s no incentive for providing more efficient delivery of services. (This applies specifically to non-catastrophic care, but the way.) If, instead, we gave consumers the money directly (rather than it going to insurance companies) and let them buy non-catastrophic care services directly, we would provide immediate & dramatic incentive to those providers (doctors, manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies) who provide the same or better products and services for less.

    When health care is instead treated as a “right”–meaning everyone gets equal access–it inevitably results in rationing. See this video for a typical–though on the surface, funny–example of how people have to deal with “universal healthcare”: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/allison_hunt_gets_a_new_hip.html

    More: How many U.S. citizens are without coverage today, against their will? Please make sure you remove non-citizens form the numbers, and those who have access but choose not to purchase coverage (young, singles, for example).

  19. Candace Raines says:

    I came to this list to see what the angle was. I did. “Republicans are catching a a bad rap and Democrats are gonna regret everything.” I get it.

    Sarah Palin went to 5 schools for 6 years to get a JOURNALISM degree but (ironically) couldn’t give a good interview to save her lying, tongue talking, sanctified life. Somehow, somebody sold the idea that the Harvard/Columbia graduate, constitutional law professor, state legislator, lawyer and SENATOR (who was elected to the IL state senate by more people than live in ALASKA) was LESS qualified to serve than the failed sports reporter mayor of 5,000 people and governor of a state the size of Memphis, TN, and some people actually BOUGHT the crap.

    If you believe that hybrids are not better than our current cars, this article is for you.

    If you live in “real America” according to Sarah Palin, this article is for you.

    If you think Hillary Clinton was somehow “attacked” during her primary, this article is for you.

    I’m glad that Obama has resolved to being “your President too” instead of just saying “so what”.

  20. The Media Thinks You're a Fool says:

    This article was obviously set in motion by some moneymen trying to ease their losses and get you to inject what little capital you may have left into their bleeding markets. I never make comments like these because they sound like baseless conspiratorial ramblings, but I had to say something when I read this… it’s simply an insulting article to any American* who has been hit by the ailing economy. Work hard; save up; build your house upon the rock, not the sand.

    Don’t believe the hype.

    *This comment in unquantified and I am unqualified to make it… if you are an American and you believe this spin that HYRBIDS ARE BASICALLY AS EFFICIENT AS 100% FOSSIL-FUELED CARS, then this article is for you!

  21. Vermontah says:

    1. Correct: Obama’s health plan does not go far enough. The only solution is what the rest of the world takes for granted: Universal single-payer government-run health care. Any other solution is simply a gift to insurance companies.

    2. If you’re telling us that $4-per-gallon gas is all the Saudi’s fault, you are sorely and greviously mistaken. First of all, only a portion of our oil comes from Saudi. Second, the Saudis and the Bushes have a long, long, long, long and intimate relationship. To suggest that the price spike had nothing to do with Bush is absurd on its face.

    3. C’mon. Are you telling us that hybrids are not more fuel efficient that regular engines? LOL!!

    4. Correct. Greenspan was appointed by Ronald Reagan. It is Reagan and fascist oligarch Republicans who are 100% to blame for our situation. Everybody on earth knew that trickle-down economics was a sham and a givaway to the rich. That has now been proven, to the peril of the nation and the world.

    5. True, we are not at the point we were in 1929. It’s more like 1928. Thankfully, with intelligent policy and liberal philosophy and under the care of Barack Obama, we will avoid the abyss.

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